"We will never forget it," fans of Boca Juniors often say about the incredible downgrade of River Plate to the second division of Argentine football in 2011. They repeated it, singing, knocking on the wound.
But it's not just them: in Argentine football, forgetting is almost impossible.
The tournaments that had been unjustly won decades ago, lost classics, some details about the alleged personality of the other: there is always anecdote, result, a venture with which trying to humiliate the other.
In more than 100 years of fierce rivalry between Boke and River there are many data you can choose from. And in all that, historians look like that.
So, all that happens in final Copa Libertadores, which will be debated for the first time between these two football divas, will hardly be forgotten.
This is the most important Latin American club tournament. With two biggest teams. So, the traditional "superclásico" will be, for once, "superfinal". ON "the end of the world"because they had several newspapers.
I've never played this sort of final. He never played the final conflict. It is unprecedented that will happen on Saturday 10 and 24 November.
Winning or losing, then, will raise the terms long life or eternal death.
You play too much
No one except the state boss, Mauricio Macri, a famous fan and former President Boke, said in an interview that "the loser It will take 20 years to recover".
"It's the final game that has played a lot, it plays too much, I think it would be better if one of the two is going to the final of the Brazilian," he said before the final game was defined.
And Macri was not the only fan I did not want it: During the semifinals in Buenos Aires, BBC World talked to dozens of fans of both teams who expressed this feeling.
"The loss will leave us dead," "this would be a great end, no matter what it may be", "that's a lot of emotional burden for this time (economic crisis)." So the comments from both sides sounded; exaggerated as every word in this country.
But sport journalist Andrés Burgo agrees: "The fact that no one wants to play has created the biggest a moment of empathy between the fan of the river and Boke I remember. Because this is the most exciting final but also the most unusual. "
"Losing it will be too much punishment for the huge campaigns that Boca and River have done."
Two teams – explains Burgo- they are too risky in this final.
Rijeka has been a supremacy over the last few years, marked by triumphs at three key crossings with Boca, one of them in the final (Copa Argentina, 2017); and Boca played his superiority between 1998 and 2011, with which he won four Libertadores.
After these statements, Macri talked about the game several times. It is the question of the state.
Because of the violent clashes that exist in the Argentine football (the source of 135 deaths in the last 18 years), the fans of the visiting team can not go to the matches of the domestic tournament.
A few weeks ago, the classic city of Rosaria, between Mid and Newell, had to play without a public to avoid conflicts.
Macri said that the final result of the Libertadores, the tournament without this ban, "is a huge opportunity for all Argentinians to show maturity".
But the club presidents and the Argentine football championship did not agree and publish there will be no visitors to avoid "inconvenience".
And although Macri called "peace and harmony" with his request, a video was released on Monday, describing the Rijeka technician Marcelo Gallardo as "culón".
Looking into the past
The Argentinians are obsessed with symbols and history.
Some historians attribute it to the idiosyncrasy of immigrants, by constantly searching for its roots; but others associate it with the collective memory process in favor no repetition which occurred after the military regime of the '70s and' 80s.
And as a country that is predominantly immigrants, almost without any relation to the pre-Columbian past, the recent symbols of Argentine identity – from Peron to Indio Solari – are perceived to the extreme.
Because of this, football clubs, not just Boca and Rijeka, became a feeling of belonging beyond the country: 70% of Argentines, according to the survey, they are more concerned about the results of their club than their national team.
"Because an event that does not need anabolic, Boca is also exaggerated in the media and painted as if the loser disappears, which of course is not true," Burgo adds.
It may be too much to say that this game will never forget. But it will certainly take some time.
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